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Hi John, more helpful material for my debate! Thanks.

Many of the arguments you report rely on JoA being a real person, but surely if there was a tomb burial he'd need to be invented (how else could Jesus be placed in a tomb without such a benefactor figure?). I didn't see you confronting this possibility. Your point on the development of the JoA narrative in the 4 accounts do suggest that he may have been invented when we stretch the development back to the stage before Mark wrote. But there's more. First, his name is suspicious. Why is there no place Arimathea? Scholars have to scrape about to find a place with a similar name, but a simpler explanation is that it's made up. Have you heard that 'Arimathea' in Greek has the meaning 'best disciple town'? That indicates a made up name surely? Second, why does JoA come into the Christian story from nowhere and then immediately disappear again? Finally, there seems to be a discrepancy between how, on the one hand, he is described as being supportive of Jesus but, on the other hand, he was a “prominent member of the Council” on which “all condemned him as worthy of death” (Mark 15v43 and 14v64 respectively).

The burial that I've considered the most likely is in a Roman communal grave. My reasons are that for an insurrectionist claiming to be 'King of the Jews' any compromise on normal Roman crucifixion practice would be minimal. Releasing the body to others, especially one individual, would be a step too far (Philo mentions releasing bodies to families only on the Emperor's birthday, and those are criminals, not insurrectionists). The unlikelihood of the Romans releasing an insurrectionist’s body is shown by Mark 15v43, Joseph had to ask Pilate for Jesus’ body, so the normal procedure would have been for the Roman’s to keep it. That Joseph had to go “boldly” to Pilate suggests that it was a very unusual request. I do hear the arguments that the Romans might compromise with Jewish sensibilities against leaving bodies on crosses overnight, which would defile the land. But that wouldn't require anything more than a Roman controlled communal grave. (And I agree with the 1Cor15 point which indicates burial). What do you make of this option?

Sorry to go on, but another whole area for discussion is the absence of tomb veneration. Both sides of the Resurrection debate agree that there is no record in early Christian documents of veneration of Jesus' tomb and, when Constantine sent people to find the tomb in about 325AD, it seems that they just had to guess its location. Modern apologists argue that the lack of veneration is actually further evidence for an empty tomb because reverence was given, not to the tomb but, instead, to he who had lain within it and who still exists. Sceptics, however, suggest that there having been no tomb at all is a vastly better explanation. It is deep in our human nature to venerate the locations of significant events and it was part of Hebrew culture .

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I think the one area of scholarship I would consider adding to the mix is the apparent fact that the "empty tomb" was a motif used ubiquitously in Roman-Greco literature. Scholards Richard C. Miller and Rachel Faith Walsh have deep studies and analysis showing this. Plus the writers of the gospels were likely well educated and part of a literary tradition informed by Greco-Roman practices and education, not just Judaic. There is evidence that many Gospel stories in general were engaged with Homer, Virgil, etc. in a typical of the time, mimetic way (MacDonald). This all makes even more plausible the idea that the empty tomb was actually to some extent a device used by whoever wrote the Gospel of Mark, and then later the other adopted and embellished by other gospel writers, for the purpose of indicating the deification of the story's hero (as you indicate). This reddit thread (specifically, nightshadetwine) cuts and pastes some of the relevant passages from RFW's book on the subject in a recent thread discussing Allison's book.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AcademicBiblical/comments/1bpz9ne/any_thoughts_on_dale_allisons_defense_of_the/

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